MetaphysicRifle: I would not bother wasting a single breath reading InGlocksWeTrust's comments. All he does is parrot himself by diverting the attention away from GFWL inability to show support to gamers who want a multiplayer cheatfree experience. His usual routine is pretty simple. Let's blame the game developer for not setting up the anti-cheat program and GFWL are not responsible for the online play eventhough they are the one providing it to the customers who have no choice to accept GFWL with the product that they want. It doesn't effect GTA4 users, but many other games too. Here is the parrot repeating the same lines. There is no point in wasting time removing gamertags from this service. It is free & they will just make another gamertag. The way to fix it, is by capcom patching the hack/exploit & then reseting the leaderboard. http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/p/6001/54887.aspx Like I said, who gives a flying *** what you say.
I would not bother wasting a single breath reading InGlocksWeTrust's comments. All he does is parrot himself by diverting the attention away from GFWL inability to show support to gamers who want a multiplayer cheatfree experience. His usual routine is pretty simple. Let's blame the game developer for not setting up the anti-cheat program and GFWL are not responsible for the online play eventhough they are the one providing it to the customers who have no choice to accept GFWL with the product that they want.
It doesn't effect GTA4 users, but many other games too.
Here is the parrot repeating the same lines.
There is no point in wasting time removing gamertags from this service. It is free & they will just make another gamertag. The way to fix it, is by capcom patching the hack/exploit & then reseting the leaderboard.
http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/p/6001/54887.aspx
Like I said, who gives a flying *** what you say.
I am sorry but you make no sense. I'm glad you have the ability to quote me out of context of this thread. I suggest you learn how games are made through this service.
If you realize that Microsoft does not hold the source coding of the game. Then you would understand that MS cannot do anything with the code. They cannot make any change, block any loopholes, or anything else. If they did the game would be unplayable. Only RS can make the changes to the game because they own the source code. But you all want to come to this site because RS inability to have a customer support channel through forum or email.
As far as you trying to slander me & with your last comment. The same could be said about you.
Is it possible to play with PC users only?
sickbattery: Is it possible to play with PC users only?
Hmm?.
InGlocksWeTrust
Here you go again insisting that it is all about the game developer. Why are you not telling us that GFWL isn't banning cheaters accounts? Who cares about the source code for a minute and look at the problem of enabling people to use the GFWL accounts to disrupt people's multiplayer games.
Stop repeating yourself you parrot. No one is buying it.
As for the slandering. I am not doing that. Just telling everyone how much of a liar you are.
MetaphysicRifle: Here you go again insisting that it is all about the game developer. Why are you not telling us that GFWL isn't banning cheaters accounts? Who cares about the source code for a minute and look at the problem of enabling people to use the GFWL accounts to disrupt people's multiplayer games. Stop repeating yourself you parrot. No one is buying it. As for the slandering. I am not doing that. Just telling everyone how much of a liar you are.
You need to cool yourself. There is no reason to fight with Glocks.
I am cool.
EpicScroll: MetaphysicRifle: Here you go again insisting that it is all about the game developer. Why are you not telling us that GFWL isn't banning cheaters accounts? Who cares about the source code for a minute and look at the problem of enabling people to use the GFWL accounts to disrupt people's multiplayer games. Stop repeating yourself you parrot. No one is buying it. As for the slandering. I am not doing that. Just telling everyone how much of a liar you are. You need to cool yourself. There is no reason to fight with Glocks.
I am cool. And yes, my reason to fight with him is because all he does is not give us any input on addressing this issue. His stance is nothing but a diversion to keep people at bay while GFWL do nothing to solve the problem.
Once again. Why are you (GFWL employees*) not banning cheaters accounts? Simple question.
*this question does not concern you epictroll.
MetaphysicRifle:*this question does not concern you epictroll.
You certainly love to create fights don't you.
Well l finally encountered, or noticed a cheater as he was blatant about it and was bragging.
His gamer tag is xl WildCard lx and he uses the rocket launcher from the car.
Anyway, I think that there should be a system in place where the host can opt for cheating, and if you are able to bypass it and still cheat, if you are caught you should be banned.
Ran into Cemeh Cemeh again today.
I have to say that if GFWL does not ban his account, then maybe it is either one or another case of they are not going to ever ban his account, or simply can't ban his account due to maybe he had bypassed GFWL code to prevent them to ban his account. Take your pick.
And his usual reply is this: If you kick me, I will crash the server.
Here is his profile. Is he a faggy braggart? I think so.
The next pictures is him corresponding to me after finding out my comments about him here in GFWL Forum.
Note: I did not start the messages between me and him. It was right after he crashed my first of many games today.
and proof that he is reading this very thread inside this forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfGVbmFdzr4
http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=CEMEH%20CEMEHbl4
I wonder if all this games are legal. I highly doubt it through.
http://www.thehelper.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1534547 I believe this is the same user above.
How about a LIVE staff member monitors matches (one match at a time, even if only for a few minutes at a time)... you only need one person per 8 hr shift to perform this function. Global MSG to users, giving them the name of the "LIVE monitor ID" to which everyone should report a cheater/crasher in action. Or just check each large match with 10+ players. There are cheaters in almost all of them. Then the monitor joins and views the culprit in action, you now have your proof. Honestly, i'm sure you can also muster up a list of potential suspected cheaters by simply looking at the number of reports filed on them... Doesn't necessarily mean someone is a cheater, but it should get someones attention to watch them more closely.
From my perspective, i see a disconnect at LIVE, i hope its nothing but it makes me wonder. Microsoft makes games too, therefore GTA is a competitor of Microsoft as well as a customer of LIVE. If MS markets games in the same market to the same demographic audience, which they do, what assurance do we have that MS will do anything to help out their competitor's situation rather than just sit back and get paid by Rockstar to watch the death throws of their amazing multi-player? A sour situation like may harm future Rockstar releases and marketshare because nothing is being done to remove even the worst cheaters.. some cheaters have been around causing havoc since the PC game was first released! If LIVE ever removes any of these nasty lingering pests, i may change my view.
Someone mentioned in this thread that after a player reaches a pre-defined number of cheater reports, they should be automatically banned.... sounds great, but catastrophic! every skilled player in the top 500 trueskill will be banned because they each probably get 10 noobs per day reporting them as cheating. I have played 1000+ matches, do the math a second. When a noob gets owned, they don't think they suck, they think u must be cheating! Happens everyday, more than u may think. If noobs are getting OWNED, it must be cheating. MetaphysicsRifle, i'm sure you would be in the same boat as i am, i've played u before. :) If this becomes the litmus test for being a cheater, we are all doomed.
Here is an idea, someone from Live call Rockstar.... have Rockstar write a tool for LIVE to see modified files players have installed. Actually, R* may not need to write it, I believe it already exists and was tested a couple months ago. This would also require a "LIVE monitor". Any mods deemed a bannable cheat should get you banned for even attempting it, or be nice and give a warning followed by a suspension then a ban.
The vote kick system almost never works. The cheaters will leave and come back to restart the voting again and again or they have anti-kick which prevents players from kicking them. SOLUTION: Change VOTE KICK to HOST KICK, that would drastically improve things in MP immediately, but not entirely. Sure there are hosts that will mistakenly or purposely kick non-cheaters, but its better than letting cheaters roam freely to harrass everyone constantly match after match. Trust your host. Currently, only hosts running a quality netkicker script have a chance to rid a match of cheaters, it allows a host to kick without the voting nonsense. A crasher needs less than 10 seconds to crash a match, can everyone vote that quickly? I personally prefer matches with trusted hosts running netkicker. There is no option to kick a cheater in ranked matches, can't vote there at all so netkick is the ONLY method of removing a cheater in a ranked match.
Just my two cents. .. there are things that can be done by both parties to address the issue.
Well if they won't fix some sort of anti cheat engine. They can atlest have a banlist.Let's say I hate cemeh as everybody else. Then I just add cemeh to my banlist and he can't join my game...
EASY AS PIE...
There is no perfect anti-cheat engine. The only solid solution is banning accounts. This is the way Valve handles it in Source games, if you cheat you lose all your games (since your games are tied to your Steam account). I have in 2 years only seen one cheater in a Source game, that Steam ID no longer exists.
Imagine that, Steam actually cares about cheating!
Oh yea, I bought GTA through Steam, because the gaming experience has always been better via steam. To bad R* went with MSN, who like R* cannot seem to grasp the concept that gamers dont like cheaters...
Very odd indeed....
Peter shrugs...
Its because the game is an Xbox port and thus was originally developed for Xbox Live. Either they thought it was a good idea at the time to have PC version progress to GFWL, or they were locked into some kind of contract and didn't have a choice at that point.
