I am truly pissed off with this game. No matter what Live refuses to ban cheatersor patch it to make it secure from these freakin idiots! When one retard can kick you from a game an he is not even admin I THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM!!!!!! They do not care about us legit owners buying the game and actually trying to enjoyy it no!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same cheaters that were there when the game was released are still there, modified files still get through I mean cmon man fix your stuff allready buncha moronic software noobs you really are a freakin joke if you cannot even secure your game from 12 yr punks hackin and crashin servers and kicking people. I run a computer store and I can guaranteee you this, after this game I will carry no more rockstar products or any game covered by live's noob programmers. Way to wreck what coulda have been a rocking game YOU SUCK!
And no one tell me Live cannot control it because I installed the admin kick to kick these idiots an Live would not let me fire up the account till i reinstalled, worked great till live did a patch and I received a modified file error so whoever spews that crap is full of it. It is both RS and Live's fault they both suck , I cannot beleive they just dont give a rip. Makes me sick as for customer PR can't get any worse than these 2 , they would rather spend hundreds of thousands to protect the game from piracy (which failed miserably) than to actually support their customer bases with a quality product. Should be able to sue on the fact the product we bought does not match the product that was advertised and expected, never again.
I'm with you Inc0gnit0, they left this mess seriously far too long and still no solution, never again will I buy a gfwl or rockstar multiplayer game unless I hear news of a solid built from the ground regular updated anti cheat that works excellent, damn it, microsoft and rockstar should have been able to do such a simple thing but they have not, so yeah, everything Inc0gnit0 said.
Make a server with the private slots maxed out and only invite your friends? I know it makes the game less fun, because your limited to 100 friends, and most that I ever have online out of the 100 is 5 -10, so my private games are not very big.
The situation really sucks, but its all I can do to enjoy this game without the hassle of jerk cheaters.
R* should rectify the situation somehow.... NExt big path I hope?
yeah i have just spent ages reading the cheats thread and i agree with alot of what is said here, cheating and game disruption are rampant. Rockstar and Windows Live are both 100% no concerned about it so long as they get money from people buying the game.
To date i have purchased every GTA game made and alot of products supported by Windows Live.
I have thought long and hard on this and for me Multiplayer is a key factor these days in my purchase selection especialy now witht he price of games in Finland. So due to the lack of support for the multiplayer's out there and the stress of trying to enjoy a game and always (and i do mean always) have some childish moron come in and disrupt my game playing pleasure (with trainers and spawners and game crashes etc.) im im going to avoid ever touching a rockstar product or windows live product again untill i see imporvment in their 'Customer Service' .
So feel free to develop more products for your childish customers to disrupt. And all i can guarantee is that GTA4 is the last thing i will ever have purchased from your catalogs untill i see some customer satisfaction !
This is bull. I want to know what microsoft is going to do about this situation.
These people register their cd keys with their accounts. How about banning the keys from touching multiplayer games again.
I always hear of people quick to get a ban on xbox live, yet here, it's absolutely horrid. There is no cheat protection on xbox games, yet cheats on that in multiplayer get an instant ban upon review. Using the bs excuse that "R" didn't place cheat protection in won't help them.
Really, you want us to adopt this games for windows live wave.... yet you can't even back up your code of conduct. I thought live was supposed to make multiplayer better, not just serve as a deterrent to pirates. That's the only reason I see live in games these days, to force pirates off and to force people into updating their games.
Total fail. Fix this.
Report him thats all.
Lmfao, ya rite dude get a grip on reality, they dont give a flyin f**k
thewindowsfreak: Report him thats all.
What did you just come in and reply to the last post?
As stated previously (if you actually bothered to read through), reporting does nothing as these people have been using the same accounts for months...
Well like I've said before, Microsoft and Rockstar have no interest, and why should they, we all went out and bought the game, they got their $50 or whatever.
There's no point bitching about it, it won't make any difference. If you really want to make a change, everyone will have to stop playing it so that M$ have several dozen servers in a datacentre doing nothing. But I doubt that will make a change.
All I'll say is what I have said previously. The only way I have ever seen to keep cheats out of servers is to have an active community where there are admins online who will kick and ban the bad people ;)
We have some of the most popular MTA servers, and they are like that purely because we have trusted admins banning people who cheat, and also keeping the peace when the inevitable trouble breaks out ;)
Until the rumoured boys manage to crack the GTA4 multiplayer code we are stuck with this pile of junk. If you really want to help, we need to support the guys trying to crack the GTA4 networking code so that those of us with a trusted community can run our own servers and police them.
WHAT THE FREAKING HELL IS GOING ON HERE???!! NOBODY AT GFWL TEAM CAN GIVE US A SINGLE ANSWER!!???????
I REALLY FEEL LIKE CRAP BECAUSE OF YOU Microsoft GFWL!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE HUMANS!! NO MACHINES, WE ARE NOT PAYING TO BE IGNORED, WE NEED YOUR SERVICES DUDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R* Canada sucks, I mean, those guys maybe are very skilled programmers and everything, but they never in their life has seen a real nig wasting everybody's life, I mean, R* canada staff never walk on the street and tried to see what the people likes to do, and how not everybody is smart enough toi understand the liberty and be respectfull, *** go out of your house and walk a few blocks you'll see the world is not perfect and people is not responsible, so we need more power and authority to get rid of OUR CHOISES AND BE RESPECTED, ALL THE CHEATERS NEEDS SOME KIND OF virtual "Guantanamo Bay" they are TERRORISTS AND GFWL IS ON THEIR SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cacho Fontana: NOBODY AT GFWL TEAM CAN GIVE US A SINGLE ANSWER!!???????
Actually they did. Sadly iam unable to show the link because it was deleted..
OK xbox live requires a subscription, they get good support with getting aggravators and definately cheaters banned etc.So why not have a subscription for gfwl so they have a genuine reason to show proper support, in my opinion it would suck for pc gaming a bit but if it would make some of my favourite games playable in multiplayer again without game wreckers I'm all for it.
Moaning to gfwl and rockstar is getting us nowhere.
So please GFWL crew make a petition for this to see how many of your users would be up for this, I would definately subscribe.
I believe many people who cheat on gta 4 do so because of so many others doing it and having no support to put things right, myself I uninstalled the game a while ago because of the flawed multiplayer, If I heared multiplayer got fixed properly I would reinstall it immediately.
GFWL did have subscription when it started. It was removed after uproar from PC gamers. If they add it back. You can say "MAJORITY" of PC gamers would boycott GFWL games.
Paying for online service would won't for PC. It works for consoles but it won't work for PC. They need to find another way
It works for mmorpg's and they charge far more than xbox live gold and that is for 1 game so £20 to £30 for a year of hassle free gaming on many titles sounds a great deal to me.
I paid out quite a bit of money for my pc gear because I know it is worth it compared to a cheap poor performing console, and I'm sure almost everyone else has especially to be able to play gta 4 at good settings, so would happily pay a subscription for a good MP service that keeps cheaters & aggravators out.
To be honest I like the easy to use gfwl interface and how it works but I do believe it could be much better on the support side if we paid subscriptions for better MP support.
I don't know for sure, but I think most people would be in favour of a subscription if they knew MP gaming would improve from what it is like now through gfwl, if you only want to play single player then no need for a subscription but automatically get blocked from MP.
The only other solution would be rockstar implement a quality regulary updated anti-cheat soft that automatically kicks cheaters out of games, it would need at least weekly updates or better yet twice a week, then we would experience very few game wrecking moments.
So either gfwl becomes subscription based if you want to play MP and we get good support or rockstar implement a strong anti-cheat, those are the only solutions that come to mind.
I don't want to see pc gaming die because of cheaters.
