I'm tired of reading in this forum that Microsoft isn't doing anything for PC gamingFirst of all, it has made this brand "Games For Windows"Second. it is member of PC Gaming Alliancehttp://www.pcgamingalliance.org/Home/tabid/354/Default.aspxDONE!,
I don't see anything great about GFW. What do you see in GFW?.
PC Gaming Alliance right now is a complete joke?. What exactly are they doing in solving problems?. There is no interview or any news from them.
So what is so great in MS being in PCGA?. What the heck are they doing?. Nothing prehaps.
Epic Games basically said screw pc gaming. (Use google)
Sony DADC being a member of PCGA is one of the most freaking comedy.
No idea what or who SMU is.
nvidia, ati, amd and intel should do something to bring the price of hardware down.
EpicScroll: I don't see anything great about GFW. What do you see in GFW?. PC Gaming Alliance right now is a complete joke?. What exactly are they doing in solving problems?. There is no interview or any news from them. So what is so great in MS being in PCGA?. What the heck are they doing?. Nothing prehaps. Epic Games basically said screw pc gaming. (Use google) Sony DADC being a member of PCGA is one of the most freaking comedy. No idea what or who SMU is. nvidia, ati, amd and intel should do something to bring the price of hardware down.
Well the only things of substance we've seen resulting from the PCGA are the Capcom games.
Capcom provides the games like Street Figther IV or Resident Evil 5
Microsoft provides the Games For Windows Live service
Nvidia provides graphics optimization
Dell promotes the games with events like the Alienware Street Fighter IV Tournament
This is kinda how the PCGA works? If so, all we need now is more developers on PCGA in addition to Capcom.
I will say that microsoft had not done a lot for PC gamers. But they do care a little.
Here's a question.. Do they really have to do anything for PC gaming?
I mean they already provide the operating system and Direct X.. Windows is the most widely used OS for gaming. Why do they have to do anything more than that? With or without Games for Windows, the PC gaming market remains pretty much unchanged (not that the market itself isnt changing, just that GFW is not a huge impact on its market).
Just thought provoking here.
MS do a lot more for PC gaming than anyone else. They provide the OS, they provide hotfixes when they are needed, they wrote Direct X (without it modern PC gaming would have died in the early 1990's along with DOS batch files to get games working), MS provide GFWL and all its servers for free to the end user.
What on earth makes anyone think that MS OWE you anything to ensure that Developers & Publishers MUST release games on GFW or GFWL?????Because they owe you nothing whatsoever if you think different then you need big help in understanding the way the commercial world functions!!
The publishers are the biggest problem as they go for the mainstream games market and mainstream is X360 & PS3 right now. If the PC sold similar numbers then you can expect a lot of publisher & developer interest but piracy has hurt the PC so much that more often than not PC games are not commercially viable until the console sales have dried up. Apart from the freakish sales of Valve & WOW most PC games sell pathetic numbers vs their console versions. Do what I did go check out the accounts and you will see for instance Activision have 6-10% PC sales, EA only 14% Ubisoft less than 10% etc etc all the big publishers are just not selling many units on PC so triple AAA budget games which cost in the $25-30M range are no longer being made with the PC in mind but most do get ported at some time to recoup additional revenue.
Go and ask ATI why they put little effort into PC games development. Nvidia have their TWIMTBP program which consists of 250 engineers who work with all the major developers on getting their games to run very well on Nvidia cards. This costs Nvidia at least $10M per year. ATI do very little to help developers but moan when Nvidia pay for features like AA in Batman AA.
Its a fact that a huge number of PC gamers are pirates & most probably use pirated OSes so they are sad losers as well and have caused a lot of damage to PC gaming so that the consoles have replaced the PC and put it down to 4th or 5th place now (after some handhelds which is beyond pathetic when you consider how powerful a modern PC is).
PC has more gaming machines than PS3 + X360 + PS3 combined!!!! (around 250M now) yet still manages to sell less units even when the game gets a day & date release. That tells you everything you need to know about how & why PC games are no longer mainstream.
PWXBOX360: MS do a lot more for PC gaming than anyone else. They provide the OS, they provide hotfixes when they are needed, they wrote Direct X (without it modern PC gaming would have died in the early 1990's along with DOS batch files to get games working), MS provide GFWL and all its servers for free to the end user.
but they sell the operating system it's not free and its not exactly cheap they have to provide support for our video cards with the latest DX, if not simply gamedevolepers will start using linux with open gl and opencl and M$ will lost a lot of money
and GFWL servers are the same as xbox360 silver system because only halo uses servers all the other games work truh matchmaking(that really sucks)
Cheers
GivenToFly11: xXmatiuXx: PWXBOX360: MS do a lot more for PC gaming than anyone else. They provide the OS, they provide hotfixes when they are needed, they wrote Direct X (without it modern PC gaming would have died in the early 1990's along with DOS batch files to get games working), MS provide GFWL and all its servers for free to the end user. but they sell the operating system it's not free and its not exactly cheap they have to provide support for our video cards with the latest DX, if not simply gamedevolepers will start using linux with open gl and opencl and M$ will lost a lot of money and GFWL servers are the same as xbox360 silver system because only halo uses servers all the other games work truh matchmaking(that really sucks) Cheers Don't bother with him. He's a MS droid and just plain thick headed.
xXmatiuXx: PWXBOX360: MS do a lot more for PC gaming than anyone else. They provide the OS, they provide hotfixes when they are needed, they wrote Direct X (without it modern PC gaming would have died in the early 1990's along with DOS batch files to get games working), MS provide GFWL and all its servers for free to the end user. but they sell the operating system it's not free and its not exactly cheap they have to provide support for our video cards with the latest DX, if not simply gamedevolepers will start using linux with open gl and opencl and M$ will lost a lot of money and GFWL servers are the same as xbox360 silver system because only halo uses servers all the other games work truh matchmaking(that really sucks) Cheers
Don't bother with him. He's a MS droid and just plain thick headed.
Lool.
The PC gaming alliance is MIA. Nothing has been heard from them and there is no real gaming news on their website. They have been around for long enough now and they seem to not have anything to say except announcing that someone has signed up with them.
As for the GFW branding that is a difficult one. To earn the GFW branding your game is supposed to meet certain standards. One of which is to work on x64 machines without fault. But I have had to play race driver: Grid on an older 32bit machine of mine because it keeps crashing on my Vista x64 machine.
Game for windows games are supposed to support the xbox 360 controller but there are games such as quantum of solace, COD:WAW and hour of victory that only support KB and Mouse. Fallout 3 won't work with KB and mouse if you have the 360 controller on.
I think MS need to tighten up their controller support for GFW Games. Make the keyboard work at all times in a game compulsory for all games (so as commands can be typed in if need be) and then to choose either the mouse, 360 controller or steering wheel for control.
I do like the idea with the new LIVE branding in having the orange bar. At least you know the difference between a LIVE game and a GFW game now.
MS only invented directx because they knew it would screw over opengl which was used almost universally when the first 3dfx and POWER VR cards came out in the mid 90's. As usual it was an MS looking out for MS thing.
jedimasterc06:Game for windows games are supposed to support the xbox 360 controller but there are games such as quantum of solace, COD:WAW and hour of victory that only support KB and Mouse. Fallout 3 won't work with KB and mouse if you have the 360 controller on.
It isn't mandatory for a game to have 360 controller support to have the GFW branding, ONLY IF the game was to have controller support, then they ask that the 360 be supported for the branding. That's all.
BLAME THE CONSUMER!!!! How can you guys say microsoft isn't helping you guys in the PC field if you guys aren't willing to pay for the service....... why doesn't anyone ever think of that,,,, oh yeah they do "Eh, i own a pc, that means free,free,free..........
