For those of you who don't know, money makes the world go 'round. Microsoft will most likely open up Games for Windows LIVE in countries that they deem the most profitable. In other words, if your at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to people who play Games for Windows titles even though they aren't even able to play LIVE in your country, you're probably not going to see LIVE for a good long while. Sorry, but that's just how it is. I know it sucks, but I guess if you get a petition going with A LOT of signatures, and by A LOT I mean A LOT of signatures maybe MS will listen. Simply put, the profit has to justify the expense.
Who is "General Failure" and why is he reading my hard drive?
M$ has nothing to lose by simply adding more countries in a registration form. Many people are already playing on LIVE from non-supported countries just by lying about their location.
you talk about expenses. People from South Africa for example can officially play on Steam, how much did Valve spend to support them ? ZERO. The company can even earn money from people who buy games. same thing for World of Warcraft
It's more than just "adding countries to the registration, but I don't want to get into a debate on this forum just because of this. I'm just gonna keep my trap shut.
Yes, it owes! We payed money not only for SP but for massively advertised MP so MS owes its customers alot.
Feel free to discuss why your country should be supported here, but understand two things.
1) Advocating piracy will get your post deleted and most likely get you banned.
2) There is more to adding new countries to the supported list. No matter how you personally feel about what needs to be done by us to support a new country, it isn't just "adding names to a dropdown" because Microsoft has a certain internally mandated minimum level of support.
As for those of you who pirate, it's you people that keep the PC's from getting good ports, so thanks a lot.
To be honest i don't care anymore whether my country will ever be in the list of the supported countries or not. I can have fun with other games that allow me to me play online.
What i care about is that in my country "gamesforwindows" are being sold and noone informes the customers about what they are going to get.
Do you think it is reasonable to pay for those games and not being able to enjoy all of their features? Do you think it is reasonable to pay the same money with others that have the privilege of LIVE service? Don't you think we should have a super special discount for buying games limited to LAN and SP gaming?
Don't you think there should be clear warnings for what we are buying? Maybe a huge X for the online service at every game package so that we know we won't get any of it by giving away our money? We are being scummed by Microsoft and this is not a "personal feeling" it is a fact. Do you disagree with me?
Isn't this the way things happen? Ok it is Microsoft's service so they can do w/e they want with it no problem at all! Fair and square. Just don't sell your games in my country unless you are willing to cut the price to match what we get for buying them.
SnoopDope: you talk about expenses. People from South Africa for example can officially play on Steam, how much did Valve spend to support them ? ZERO. The company can even earn money from people who buy games. same thing for World of Warcraft
You are comparing apples to oranges. Steam system does not have the requirements that the Live system does. Just because another system works in that region without the need for massive infrastructure doesn't mean Live will.
Botom line is this.... Show the XBL team that you want your territory to be support by getting consumers to purchase alot 360's & the games in your region. Then I we will see the Live team rushing to support your territory.
As for piracy, that doesn't hold much water because asian markets are supported & there piracy rate is through the roof. But thats why you don't see any developments teams making games catered toward that region.
LouisFF: Don't you think there should be clear warnings for what we are buying? Maybe a huge X for the online service at every game package so that we know we won't get any of it by giving away our money? We are being scummed by Microsoft and this is not a "personal feeling" it is a fact. Do you disagree with me?
You are missinformed. It is clearly in the fine print on every GFWL game that multiplayer may not be supported in your region/territory. They post the link for you to type in. You could probably use the stores PC to look at it.
Question (VIRUS799):
Are you living in a country supported by LIVE? Hmm?
SnoopDope: You are missinformed. It is clearly in the fine print on every GFWL game that multiplayer may not be supported in your region/territory. They post the link for you to type in. You could probably use the stores PC to look at it.
The print is small while it should be the first that customer should be able to see.
Most of the customers do not know which countries are supported by LIVE. They don't even know what the phrase "Live is not available in all countries" means. Are you suggesting that they should get into the procedure of visiting the site to find out the list?
Since the games are delivered in LIVE and none-LIVE countries don't you think that the prints should be different? Don't you think that there should be a message "Your country doesn't support online gaming for this product"???
If you buy a car without one wheel don't you think that it should have been made clear to you before you spend your money?
It's as if you sign a contract and there is a very small instruction that you missed. Not every customer goes through detailed research for what he is buying. The majority doesn't even read the small line "Live is not available in all countries". They just see a game of a trusted company and go for it. There is a bond of trust.
You just have to admit that Microsoft scums customers in non-LIVE countries. It would be against their profit to shout "HEY FOLKS YOU CAN BUY GFWL GAMES BUT NO ONLINE GAMING FOR YOU!".
Just because the line "Live is not available in all countries" exists makes the fraud legal. Sounds weird huh? "Legal fraud".
Well, it doesn't need much of a brain to understand this...
I already gave away my money to buy few favorite games of mine when they were releashes for PCs only to realise later that i was not able to play online!
I know dozens of people who did the same. Imagine how many people those people know who did the same.
InGlocksWeTrust: You are comparing apples to oranges. Steam system does not have the requirements that the Live system does. Just because another system works in that region without the need for massive infrastructure doesn't mean Live will.
So what "special requirements" does Live has over Steam and WOW ? It doesn't even have dedicated servers and games are hosted on player systems.
LouisFF: Question (VIRUS799): Are you living in a country supported by LIVE? Hmm?
Yes, but it doesn't detract from the fact that I'm right.
VIRUS799: Yes, but it doesn't detract from the fact that I'm right.
You are in a comfortable position to discuss about money and Microsoft and how other countries should be added to LIVE according to MS's profit.
You are unable to see the facts from other point of view. If you don't live in a non-LIVE country you can't understand how customers are scummed and you don't have the right to claim they are not.
I'm sure your attitude would be completely different if you didn't live in one of those 26 countries...
You're saying the main servers in WOW are player hosted? LOL
The company hosts servers as well.
Are you living in a country supported by LIVE SnoopDope? :)
I'll give you an example to understand how LIVE screwed up our gaming.
In Halo Combat Evolved players don't have to create any account. All they do in order to play online is to make TWO CLICKS!! Servers are hosted on player systems and there are currently so many dedeicated servers even after so many years.
In Halo Custom Edition there are always hundreds of dedicated and normal servers hosted by players. DAILY!! Users have created terabytes of custom content for that game. And then Halo 2 Vista came...A game that could easily run on XP (it has been proved with hacks for the game) and Microsoft forced it to be playable only for Vista cutting out again those who were not ready to change to vista.
In Halo 2 Vista you have to mess with accounts, sites, login to LIVE...and of course if you are in a LIVE supported country. The "two clicks and play" is gone! It was massacred in the name of money!
If you visit the site that "officially" hosts the download of halo custom edition and custom content just go look at the custom content made for Halo 2 vista. Ever since it came out almost noone cares to make additional maps and stuff for it. Wonder why? pffft...
I have been a computer gamer for a reason (one of the many reasons). I didn't want to pay for Xbox live!
The service i want to pay is my broadband internet. What else should i need in order to play some game with others apart from a genuine copy of the game???
Those of you from unsupported countries, you can try creating a new account, and select a supported country before playing. That way you can play online till LIVE officially comes to your country. Problem solved (?).
And I really hope everyone is aware that GFWL is supported wherever XBL is supported. The two aren't different systems.
